The Digital System Reform Review committee (9th meeting)

Last Updated:: Jan 14, 2026

Overview

Date and time: December 3, 2025 (Wed) 10:00 to 11:30
Location: Online
Agenda:
1. Opening
2. Agenda
  1. Progress in Reviewing the Analog Regulations
  2. Exchange of views
3. Adjournment

Material

Minutes

Secretariat (Sakano): Good morning.

I would now like to begin the 9th the Digital System Reform Review committee.

My name is Sakano from Deputy Director, Digital Agency Strategic Organization Group, and I will be in charge of operation at the secretariat today. Nice to meet you.

I would like to express my sincere appreciation to all the members for taking time out of your busy schedule at the end of the year to attend the review meeting.

Regarding your attendance today, I have heard that only Mr. Uenoyama will be absent.

Today's agenda is "Progress of Efforts to Review the Analog Regulations." The Secretariat will give an explanation first, and then I would like the members to discuss it.

Now, I would like to move on to the agenda. Regarding the rest of the meeting, I would like to ask Chairman Inadani to chair the meeting. Thank you very much, Chairman Inadani.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui , Good morning. This is Inadani. Thank you for your cooperation today.

First of all, I would like to ask the Secretariat to explain today's agenda, "Status of Progress in Reviewing the Analog Regulations."

Director, Kawano: Secretariat. Thank you very much today.

Then, I will quickly explain based on Material 1.

Please turn over page 1 to see the overview of today's explanation. First, I would like to introduce the positioning of this study group and the arrangements within the government. After that, in 2, I would like to report on the progress of efforts to review the analog regulations. In (1), I would like to report on the progress of the national government's review related to laws and regulations, etc., the status of efforts to promote the review of local analog regulations, and the status of the development of technology maps and technology catalogs. Third, I would like to report on the efforts we have been making in cooperation with various ministries and agencies to implement technology in the field of system review.

First of all, this is the first page. On the next page, I would like to briefly explain the positioning of the Study Group. On the far left, the Study Group started as a working group under the Provisional Digital Administration Study Group. In October 2023, the Provisional Digital Administration Study Group was reorganized as the Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform Council, and the Study Group was positioned. Professor Annen was originally appointed to chair the Study Group, but since April of this year, Professor Inadani has been appointed to chair the Study Group. The outcomes of this discussion have been reported to the Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform Council.

It's on the right. Since November of this year, I have drawn a diagram. Basically, the position of reporting to the Digital Administrative and Financial Reform Council has not changed. On top of that, the Population Strategy Headquarters was newly established under the Takaichi Cabinet, and I would like to introduce how the Digital Administrative and Financial Reform Council was positioned to work in cooperation under the Population Strategy Headquarters.

Of the discussions at the Population Strategy Headquarters, the Council for Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform will take on the role of maintaining social functions even as the population decreases, and this study group will continue to provide input into the whole-of-government initiatives.

Next, on the next page, I would like to report on the status of the national government's efforts to review the analog regulations. This is the status of the existing initiatives of review of analog regulations, which originally started with the Provisional Digital Administrative Investigation Committee. laws and regulations had compiled and developed a timetable in the form of Article 8,162, which requires a review in the entire notification, but by the end of September this year, the review of 8,017 articles, or about 98.2%, has been completed. For six months since the report was made in the spring of this year, we have been following up with the relevant ministries and agencies based on the timetable, and this number has accumulated. The remaining 145 articles are on the very bottom right.

Today, in addition to the review of the existing laws and regulations, I would like to introduce some of our new initiatives. This is called "digital legal system review." This is not a review of the existing laws and regulations, but rather a check that analog regulations cannot be imposed on the newly created laws and regulations. As stated at the top, since the extraordinary sessions of the Diet in 2022 and 2022, Digital Agency has been conducting prior reviews within the Government of all bills submitted to the Diet.

It is written with dots below that. In Basic Act on the Formation of a Digital Society, there is Article 37, which is underlined. This article embodies the provision established by the 2023 revision that regulations must take necessary measures to ensure that regulations do not hinder the effective use of information and communications technology in light of its progress. The items checked in the review of the digital legislation include the seven typical analog regulations listed in (1) below that have been subject to review so far, as well as floppy disks, etc. To be honest, no ministries or agencies will write floppy disks in the new laws and regulations in the future, so this article is being checked just in case.

In addition, there is (2) below. This is a secondary review, but as each ministry and agency can review the bill submitted to the Diet in advance, we can check whether analog regulations are in place. At the same time, if there are any plans to install new information systems when new systems are created, the contents and policies will be reviewed from the upstream stage of creating the laws and regulations. Actually, we, not the legislative or institutional team in Digital Agency, but the team in charge of reviewing information systems, will check the contents in advance and advise them to use a government-wide system if possible. In this way, the review is conducted from the upstream stage.

The results of past inspections are summarized on the right-hand side. During every extraordinary session of the Diet, 10 to 20 bills were submitted, and during every ordinary session of the Diet, 60 bills were submitted. All of them are being checked.

At the very bottom, the situation of the most recent ordinary session of the Diet this fiscal year is summarized on the next page. There are 59 bills in total, and among them, (1) those related to analog regulations and (2) those related to information systems, which I mentioned earlier, are being reviewed. In regard to analog regulations, among the 27 bills, there are 140 articles that could be analog regulations. Our officials in charge of these articles checked the contents and operation policies with each ministry one by one, and as stated in the first arrow feather, we confirmed that digital means can be used. Frankly speaking, there is almost no intention for each ministry to actively create analog regulations from now, so rather, the review work is generally progressing by firmly confirming the operation so that there are no omissions.

In addition, regarding the second arrow feather, the four provisions are so-called on-site inspection provisions, and if there is a risk of evading inspection or destroying evidence for a subject who is engaged in illegal or wrongful acts, we must actually enter the site and seize the actual item. For such cases, we are confirming that the so-called analog regulations can remain in Phase 1. In addition, we are also confirming information systems as shown here.

So far, I would like to touch upon the situation of the national laws and regulations. Next, I would like to touch upon (2) Initiatives for the promotion of local review of analog regulations. As I said earlier, the national government is already in the final stage of reviewing the ordinance. However, since there are still many analog regulations that local governments have independently established in their ordinance, guidelines, and regulations, we are asking local governments to support the review. Basically, it is difficult for the national government to force a review. Basically, it is necessary for each organization to work on it. However, it will be difficult to start with just doing it. As written in the second line here, we are aiming to create a climate in which each organization can do it autonomously. In particular, from last year to this year and next year, we would like to focus on that and promote the environmental development.

As you can see in the diagram below, there is a conical shape in the middle. I hope you understand that this is a group of local governments. As you can see at the top, some groups are already looking sideways at the initiatives of the national government, while others at the bottom have not started at all. Until now, Digital Agency has been asking local governments to take initiatives in the form of the general support shown on the left, which basically provides common information to all groups. However, since last year, as reported at this review meeting, we have started the blue individual support shown on the right. This is especially the conical part in the middle, the blue part in the middle. For what we would like to do in the future, but do not know the procedure, we have selected individual groups and assigned people in charge in Digital Agency to provide accompanying support. As you can see on the right, we visit the actual site of the city hall, and the people in charge also hold briefing sessions for all government offices and individual briefing sessions.

In addition, as indicated in pink on top of that, when you actually do review of analog regulations, it is necessary to identify all the ordinance you have. In the 2024 supplementary budget, we selected about 20 organizations and provided support to identify the provisions that could fall under analog regulations in the ordinance you have.

The next page shows the status of initiatives by local governments, which was introduced in the form of preliminary figures at this spring's review meeting. As you can see in the blue circle graph on the upper left, 0.6% of local governments have implemented the review of analog regulations, 23% are implementing it, and 19% are planning to implement it. Including those that are implementing or planning to implement it, about 40% of local governments answered that they are already taking or planning to take measures.

This is actually the result of the survey conducted in March this year. One year ago, in the spring of last year, it was about 10% each, and the overall figure was about 20%, but it has almost doubled by the spring of this year. This year, as I will introduce later, we have been putting a lot of effort into it in various ways, and as I will introduce later, quite a few groups that have been completely undecided so far have also participated in our briefing sessions, and we feel that the momentum is growing considerably. Therefore, we will conduct this survey again next spring, and we hope that this figure will increase significantly.

Next, on page 11, we explain the actual status of our efforts for individual support. We have selected 31 organizations, and we are providing support after designating the staff in charge. To introduce the contents a little, on the upper left, individual briefing sessions and study sessions are held. Since we call it analog restrictions, we of course hold briefing sessions online meetings instead of face-to-face meetings, but in fact, it is very appreciated to go to the site and hold briefing sessions for all government agencies.

As you can imagine, the structure of City Hall is like a scaled-down version of Kasumigaseki, and it has a digital promotion department and other departments. There are still analog regulations in the social welfare department, the commerce and industry department, and the construction department, so when the staff of the digital department has to persuade all the staff of these departments to understand and work, which is similar to what we did in Kasumigaseki, even if the staff of the digital department wave flags, it is difficult to persuade them. However, when our staff at the level of Deputy Director goes, a company-wide briefing session is held, and the section managers and assistants of each department, who I mentioned earlier, come out to listen carefully and introduce our appeals and the status of efforts of other local governments. This will create an atmosphere in which the entire agency has to do it.

In addition, when people at the level of a Deputy Director visit, depending on the municipality, the head, mayor, or vice mayor of the municipality usually greets them, so taking advantage of such opportunities, a company-wide atmosphere has been created.

The second point in the square on the upper left is also important. The number of organizations we are currently supporting is 31, and we have asked each organization to talk to local governments in the vicinity. When we hold briefing sessions, we usually invite people from the digital division in the vicinity who are familiar with each other and hold briefing sessions together to spread the effects.

In addition, on the right, there is the relationship between Digital Agency and each organization. We have a Slack channel in Digital Transformation Co-Creation Platform, where we can exchange information among local governments. In fact, we have a channel in this review of analog regulations, where the target organizations can exchange information.

Also, it's at the bottom right. We also disseminate information through the media and other media. When Digital Agency officials come to our city to hold briefings, local TV stations and cable TV stations sometimes send cameras to make news. In this way, we are trying to create a momentum in each area.

The next page shows the 31 organizations currently eligible for individual support.

Let me move on to page 13. Earlier, I introduced that we are supporting the identification of ordinance in the overall picture. Under the 2024 supplementary budget, we have received a budget of slightly less than 100 million yen, and we are supporting the selection of 21 target organizations, searching their ordinance, rules, and guidelines, and identifying all the articles of ordinance as shown on the left. As written in the blue frame, we have completed the process of identifying all the articles on the left, and we have sent Excel tables to all 21 organizations.

What we are asking each organization to do now is to fill in the space on the right. In other words, we are asking each organization to fill in the space on the right after discussing within the Agency which provisions may fall under the analog regulations, and if they do, how they plan to review them.

This result means that we have included national funds, so we are asking that the results be made public, not just within the local government. By doing so, we hope that it will be positioned as a reference material for organizations that will follow in the future.

The next page, page 14, is the project that is actually the target of this identification support project.

The above is the content of the support from last fiscal year to this fiscal year. We have started to work on new initiatives from page 15. As I just said, in order to review local governments, we first need to search and identify all the analog regulations in the ordinance we have. Next, we have to decide whether each provision falls under the analog regulations, which laws and regulations is involved, and how to review. We have a fairly large amount of work ahead of us.

As I said earlier, we are currently using outsourcing fees to conduct searches, but this fiscal year, from summer to autumn, we are planning to use digital tools as much as possible to improve the efficiency of this work.

First, on the left-hand side, as I mentioned earlier, each local government has an average of several hundred to several thousand ordinance and rules. Until now, we paid a commission to a business operator with a system and had them search for a few weeks to several months, but as you can see below, an engineer in Digital Agency has developed a tool that can perform bulk searches using Excel macro tools. As you can see in the image on the next page, on the Excel screen in the middle of the left, as you can see a picture of a yellow folder at the bottom, in the same folder, we have developed a tool that allows you to input words and rich texts of ordinance and rules that are subject to searches, and press "Article file check (batch execution)" at the top. Then, as you can see on the right, the Excel table will appear. As you can see in the box above, we provided a prototype to organizations nationwide around this summer, and have them use it. We have improved it and already opened it to the public in September.

Please go back one page. The other task is on the right side. If excel is available, each article that may be subject to analog regulation will be issued. For each of these articles, humans have been collecting information and making decisions one by one on how the government is revising the same article, how the relevant laws and regulations is doing, and how other local governments are doing. In recent years, we have been making efforts to make it as efficient as possible by utilizing the remarkable generative AI of technological innovations.

Please go to the page two pages ahead. For this purpose, we are conducting research on whether we can use generative AI to make it as easy as possible for local governments to review the analog regulations. Actually, as you can see some photos on the right, in July this year, with the cooperation of technical cooperation companies, we asked seven of the individual organizations we are currently supporting to come to Digital Agency and actually try to judge their own ordinance in a workshop format. I think teachers are also using AI in various ways. To put it simply, if you use the prompts on the left very well, and have them carefully read various reference materials published by Digital Agency and make judgments based on them, they will make judgments on each situation with a considerable degree of accuracy. It has become clear that this is the case. We are currently in the process of brushing up, but we would like to compile them and deploy them to all local governments by the end of this fiscal year.

Therefore, to be honest, Kasumigaseki was done by human power, but I hope that local governments will do it easily. This itself can be done by a general-purpose generation AI on the market, so it is not necessary to develop a special generation AI for this.

On the next page, page 18, in addition to this, we are actively disseminating various information. Although I will not explain the materials one by one, what we feel particularly strong is on the far left, which is that briefings and lectures are also being held, and in May or September, briefings are being held for all organizations, although there are still a considerable number of organizations that will be participating in the future other than the 31 organizations that I mentioned earlier.

In fact, when we did it last year, we were only able to collect accounts of groups with less than 100 participants, but this year, as you can see here, from the manual explanation, we have 600 accounts, which is an account, so there are more employees, and many local governments are learning that they have to do it at this time, and we hope that the survey for next spring, which I mentioned earlier, will show good figures.

As you can see on the next page, page 19, we are providing various forms of support. As you can see on the far left, we are organizing the process for local governments to review the analog regulations as Step 1 in the Guidelines, which is to create a system, create a plan, identify each provision, consider the necessity and direction of the review, and finally actually revise the provisions. We have prepared support tools for each issue as mapped in the table on the right.

Next, I would like to report on the status of the development of technology maps and technology catalogs. Let me briefly review what technology maps and technology catalogs were in the first place. Originally, when we asked each ministry to review the analog regulations in the digital ad hoc committee, the reaction from each ministry was that they could not review the regulations unless they knew whether there was a technology that could replace the regulations. Even if there was a technology, they were not sure if it was really effective or safe. At that time, under the Digital regulatory reform Promotion Package Act, Digital Agency made public the information that there was such a technology, and each administrative agency should make use of it to review the regulations.

Therefore, in terms of the division of roles, Digital Agency will firmly provide information through technology verification and the development of maps and catalogs. In addition, Digital Agency will disseminate various information in the areas of technology implementation and regulatory reform, and the competent regulatory agencies will review regulations based on actual technology trends.

Looking back on page 22, discussions such as the one I just mentioned have been held since around 2021 to 2022. Recently, seven digital conferences were held, and the working group under that has held 24 meetings. In addition, a subordinate organization called Technology-Based Council for Promotion of Regulatory Reform, to which Dr. Masaaki Ogawa belongs, was established under the working group, and focused discussions have been held.

After that, (2) "Development of Technology Maps and Catalogs," in the supplementary budgets for fiscal 2023 and 2022, we actually received about 4.5 billion yen from the government to conduct technology demonstrations in 14 types of 32 projects. Based on this, we have been continuously working on the development of the portal site shown on the lower right and improving the usability of this portal site.

In addition, the third item below has been communicated for a long time, and I created this picture with the thickness of the arrows imagining the volume of work. As you can see, from the upper left to the middle, Digital Agency has taken the lead in organizing and delivering information, and I think it has been completed to a large extent. At the bottom of the phase, each ministry and agency will review the regulations as needed, and I think we are moving to the phase of actual implementation.

On page 23, I would like to briefly introduce the improvement of the usability of the map I mentioned earlier. I will introduce it with the second black circle, but when companies register their products and services in this technical catalog, as shown in the "As-Is" section below, they actually communicate with each other by e-mail and Excel, and our staff opens and checks it. In fact, we are also developing a system that will allow us to do this all at once, and we plan to release it at the end of this year. We are also moving forward with this kind of unspectacular DX of procedures.

Furthermore, on the next page, Page 24, we have been publishing product catalogs of each company based on the procedures I just mentioned. As you can see in the table below, we have registered a total of 226 technical products and services by category. If you look at the number of registrations in each fiscal year, the first year had the highest number of registrations, 52 in the previous fiscal year, and 7 in the current fiscal year so far. As you can see, the needs to post existing technologies have come to a pause, and we are now in the phase of updating and managing them rather than forcibly increasing them by one or two.

Finally, I would like to introduce the next page for a virtuous cycle toward technology implementation. This material is the one I explained at the previous meeting of the study group in April. I have summarized the current situation, including past initiatives, in one sheet. On the upper left is Digital Agency, where we formulated the digital principles, conducted the technical verification of (ii), which I mentioned earlier, developed a catalog, and some ministries and agencies are also conducting technical verification. With (iii), we created a roadmap and asked the ministries and agencies to review it. The regulatory authority on the right worked hard on (iv), review of analog regulations, and as I explained, the national regulations are written as "almost complete," but the review has been completed, and the regulations held by local governments are currently being reviewed.

In that sense, the institutional environment is being established. However, when we think about delivering the results of this review as benefits to the field, as you can see at the very bottom right, which is the green area, what is actually implemented and procured is not, for example, the departments regulated by local governments, which are the digital promotion departments, but rather the welfare departments, the commerce and industry departments, the construction departments, and private business operators that are regulated, which I mentioned earlier, have been doing so in an analog manner based on regulations. As indicated by the red arrows, unless we convey the fact that the regulations have been revised and the fact that such technologies can replace the conventional work that relies on analog people, the benefits will not be lost to the field just because we have revised the regulations at the upper level to 98%. I remember that I reported to the Study Group in April that I would like to focus on this issue.

On the next page, after the review meeting in April, we will have a meeting called the Inter-Ministerial Task Force on DX Promotion in May. This is actually a meeting where the Deputy Directors-General of the Cabinet Secretariat of each ministry and agency gather, and Digital Agency, in a sense, is an opportunity to make a common request to all ministries and agencies.

At the very bottom of this document, there is a request to each ministry and agency. Regarding the review of the analog regulations that have been implemented, or reference information, I would like you to firmly convey it from the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries to the department in charge of the prefecture, city, town or village, for example, the agricultural administration department in the case of the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries. Even if Digital Agency conveys it, it does not ring a bell. I also asked related industries to provide information.

If all the provisions are to be implemented, each ministry will be defensive. I think there is a priority. I will leave the decision to the priority of technology or the high policy effect, so please do as much as you can. I conveyed that Digital Agency will cooperate as necessary, especially in joint public relations.

In fact, based on this request, we made a few visits to each ministry to ask if they would like to join us, and various ministries and agencies are interested in it, and we are working on PR together as shown in this table. In the case of the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, as I will introduce later, we have changed from checking crops manually to checking them with satellite images at once, in the case of the autonomous bureau in Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications, we have changed ordinance's signature of the ordinance proclamation, which was handwritten by the head of the bureau, into an electronic signature, or made the proclamation easier on the website, in the case of Ministry of the Environment, we can reduce the number of personnel by using webcams for on-site inspections of industrial waste facilities, and in recent years, bear control has become a challenge for the whole country, and we have developed technology to deal with it. In addition, in the case of the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism, the most representative example is that Digital Agency and the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism are working together to disseminate information in response to the collapse of the sewage system in Yashio City in January this year.

On the next page, there are some representative video contents we prepared. We have released them, so please take a look. Digital Agency is relatively advanced in public relations using digital contents, so, for example, on the far right, we will make them together with the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries. If Digital Agency makes them, the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries will use the contents to raise awareness in each region, which is a good form of collaboration, I think.

I will introduce the next page as a typical example, but the top title is quite important. It is the Regional Agricultural Administration Office of the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, which is actually the Kinki Regional Agricultural Administration Office, and when I participated in the briefing session held by the Kinki Regional Agricultural Administration Office to ask if Digital Agency would explain, Digital Agency presented the material.

At the very top are the implementation guidelines of the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, which have changed between the old and new versions. In response to this, various local governments, such as Minamisoma city, Kochi prefecture, and Ibaraki prefecture, have already started to introduce them. In fact, there are considerable personnel and costs floating in the lower right corner. I think it is valuable to provide this information not to the digital division but to those involved in agricultural administration in the Kinki Digital Agency. We do not have a channel for farmers in the Kinki region. We have this because we are the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries, and I think it is very valuable for the Ministry of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries and the region to team up.

In addition, from the next page onward, I pasted it up thickly. From here on, as you can see now, I will refrain from disclosing it due to copyright issues, but in this way, we are disseminating information not to general magazines but to trade magazines and industry magazines in cooperation with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications Local Government Bureau and Ministry of the Environment.

I would like to omit this point. In addition, we are hosting a RegTech community for technology owners, regulated businesses, and regulatory ministries and local governments to exchange information with each other.

In particular, on the next page, I would like to introduce the status of this year's event. In fiscal 2025, we held about five events, and the May and August events were the Sewerage System Series, which I mentioned earlier. There was a great increase in interest due to the road collapse incident, so we introduced related technologies twice. As you can see on the lower left, the 19th event was attended by 400 people. The RegTech community itself did not reach 100 around last year, which was about double-digit and rather low, but this year it was 400, so a tremendous number of people are interested in it.

Also, on the bottom right, which is also a big topic recently, I introduced a bear detection technology developed by Toyama Prefecture and a related company of Hokuriku Electric Power Co., Inc., and the number of people who saw it was 150. So far, we have not been able to do anything about what technology can do. However, when social issues appear in front of us, there will be a great need to rely on technology.

Lastly, in addition to these introductions, as a project we are working on this fiscal year, in order to review and introduce regulations in the field, which we call "unbanned technologies," we will prepare more specific and detailed information. This was indicated at the TECH Committee of the lower committee in early spring. We conducted various hearings with our Technology Map Team on which field would be best within the limited budget, and investigated various fields such as the railway field and the energy field. This fiscal year, in the construction and building field, which is the third field, and in the sewage field, which was mentioned earlier, we decided to compile detailed content, and we are currently conducting actual surveys and work.

On the next page, I am putting together an image. There are two vertical areas. As for the contents, I will explain the current problems and how the analog regulations have been revised. The most important thing is the introduction effects and economic effects. For these areas, I will prepare and publish more in-depth contents so that people related to local governments can see them, or in some cases, private companies can use sales materials in the form of announcements from the government. In a sense, I hope this will lead to the provision of information that we can use available technologies to improve efficiency now that regulations have been eased. I would like you to spend the rest of this fiscal year researching the contents, and I would like to have an opportunity to summarize them and report them again around spring.

This may have been a little lengthy, but I have reported on my efforts over the past six months. I look forward to hearing your opinions, suggestions, and advice.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui , Thank you for your very fruitful report based on the steady progress. I was strongly impressed that the fruits of DX have finally begun to reach the point where they can be seen by the people of Japan.

I would now like to welcome any comments or questions from the members of the Council.

Now, Mr. Wakio, please start.

Constituent Wakio: Thank you very much.

I have an opinion rather than a question. The first one is on page 5. I believe that 98% of the countries in review of analog regulations have made progress in this area. However, I think that as technology advances, there will be cases in which it will become more difficult to solve the problem and analog regulations will be subject to it. In that regard, I think it will be necessary to recheck once every five years.

The second point is on page 17. This is about the efforts of the local government. Since some of them are done together with me, I would like to express my respect to them for doing very well. In fact, as we discuss with the local government at the site, I feel that they are gradually penetrating. However, at this stage, as Director Kawano mentioned, there are still many difficulties in the work, so I think there are very high expectations for the generative AI in particular. Therefore, I think the accuracy will increase if the results of the horizontal development project are incorporated, so I would like to see it proceed firmly.

The third point is on page 26. What I think will be particularly important in the operation base of the revision of the analog regulations is that business operators with digital technologies create solutions and the regulated business operators make full use of them. Therefore, in the sense that review of analog regulations itself is a business opportunity and will lead to the solution of management issues, which I think is being done now, approaching economic organizations and industry organizations, and public relations will become extremely important, so I think that I would like to request this to be continued.

Lastly, my fourth question is, in terms of the operation of regulations, I believe that data collection methods and definitions are extremely important. I believe it is important to properly accumulate such operational data and review regulations based on that operation. Therefore, I would like to ask you to consider again the direction in which regulations can be reviewed based on data by advancing the next stage of technical verification of data definitions and acquisition methods.

These are my four opinions.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui , thank you very much.

Since Mr. Masujima and Mr. Ogawa have both raised their hands, I would appreciate it if the Secretariat could comment after hearing the opinions of Mr. Masujima and Mr. Ogawa.

Well, Mr. Masujima, please start.

Member: Thank you.

In that case, I would like to make three points. First, as you pointed out earlier, I feel that it is very important to use the power of generative AI in local areas, but as you said earlier, I heard that no particular tool is being developed. I do not have enough information on the actual situation of local governments, so I would like to know. I would like to know the current status of the introduction of generative AI in local governments.

The other point is about the technology map and its maintenance. At first, the technology will be released one after another, and then it will gradually decrease. I have heard some good examples of how it was effective when it was actually introduced and used. On the other hand, I have heard from people who have actually used it that it can be done, but it is not accurate enough, and there are many cases where analog things have to be done. Is there a cycle in which we receive feedback from what we actually used and do something more from there? It is important to publish examples of things that worked well, but I would like to know if there are any discoveries of other issues based on the feedback that appears. That is my second point.

The third point is, I learned for the first time when I received the material last time, but when I watch Mr. Digital Agency's digital regulatory reform YouTube, there is a lot of content, and I don't get bored watching it, which I think is very amazing. I watched what was posted in the material, and there are dozens of contents more than this. How is Mr. Digital Agency planning to make this content visible to everyone? It seems that there are about 20000 views, so I wonder if something is being done, but please tell me what kind of activities you are doing to make the content visible and spread it.

These are the three points.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui , Mr. Masujima, thank you very much.

Next, Mr. Ogawa, please start.

Member Ogawa: Nice to meet you, .

Thank you very much for explaining the progress very carefully. This is the same comment as everyone, but I highly appreciate that the review of about 98% of more than about 8,000 analog regulations has been completed, and that very wonderful results can be seen in figures.

More importantly, I remember that in the previous discussion, we discussed that implementation in society in digitalization after the revision of the regulations was not easy and that it was an important point. In today's explanation of the progress, I mentioned that it is important to promote implementation in society in a responsible manner with the cooperation of the central government, not just by reviewing the regulations. I would like to express my gratitude for your enthusiasm and look forward to its continued promotion.

In this context, I would like to make four comments on my expectations for the future.

First, I would like to talk about the visualization of the results. I have heard that this initiative, digitalization of Japan's analog administration, is attracting a great deal of attention in other countries as well. In such a situation, the implementation of digital government in society will progress rapidly in the future, and as a result, I expect that there will be a framework to explain to the public in an easy-to-understand manner what level the maturity of digital government is compared to other countries.

For example, if there is a framework that can explain to the public in an easy-to-understand and transparent manner, such as how much the digitalization ratio of administrative procedures for citizens will be improved from the previous percentage to what percentage through measures, or how much administrative costs as labor costs have been reduced by automating infrastructure-related work and automating conventional manual work. In addition, qualitatively, how much risks have been reduced by digitalization for work that was dangerous due to conventional human work, or how accuracy has been improved or new business opportunities have been created through data utilization, I expect that it will deepen understanding of the extent to which digitalization has been promoted through measures in Japan compared to other countries. digitalization

Next, I would like to talk about the framework for further progress in social implementation in the future. I believe that each of the examples you explained this time is a truly significant achievement. Going forward, we will move on to the next stage of implementing as many as 8,000 regulatory digitalization in a wide range of administrative agencies. Therefore, it is necessary to continue to promote their widespread social implementation and make them take root. I have high hopes for a framework that will accelerate the self-driving of each administrative agency in the future.

In addition, in your earlier explanation, you explained that pre-screening checks are being conducted to ensure that the newly established regulations are not analog regulations. I appreciate this as a very important process. As has been adopted in other countries, I expect that it will be necessary to make efforts to have society as a whole more clearly recognize the basic policies of the "Digital First" policy, in which digitalization is the fundamental rule and exceptions are not basically permitted.

Currently, Digital Agency is providing support from a wide range of areas and has achieved significant results, but going forward, I believe it is necessary to consider a specific framework for how to self-drive the next stage. For example, in order to visualize certain results, I expect transparent initiatives such as establishing a KPI that will serve as an evaluation indicator for the degree to which the digitalization has achieved results, requesting each ministry and agency or administrative organ to disclose the KPI and compete with each other to a certain extent, creating a heat map that identifies multiple possible areas and priorities, and broadly disclosing the results of analyses, implementation plans, and progress.

There is an expectation of a certain level of subsidies, but in addition to that, citizens directly feel the convenience of digital administrative procedures in particular, so I think that one effective framework would be to incorporate feedback from citizens obtained through the pilot and promote social implementation that would involve more citizens.

In addition, as new technologies will be implemented in society, I believe that their effectiveness and reliability will be important success factors for each local government. Digital Agency has been providing information to a certain extent through technology maps and technology catalogs, but I also expect that it will promote a framework that makes closer use of regulatory sandboxes as a place for verification test at a small level, for example, in order to gain further solid reliability during implementation.

Next, regarding the standardization and interoperability of digital data, I believe that the digitalization values as public goods. I also have high expectations for a framework that encourages the use of data related to transportation, medicine, education, and infrastructure, for example, by making it available as open data as widely as possible. We aim to promote the use of data for various new convenient administrative services and urban planning, the reuse of data by companies and citizens to improve new services and convenience, and even more sophisticated policymaking and data-driven administration through data utilization. Although other countries are actually challenging this, I believe it is important to keep in mind that we will eventually aim for it. I also have high expectations for the promotion of studies that take into account the standardization, open APIs, reliability, and transparency-or standardization and interoperability-of data generated for social implementation in digitalization.

Last but not least, regarding the integration with common infrastructure, I believe that common infrastructure will be further developed in the future, such as the My Number system, Japan Agency for Local Authority Information Systems's common cloud infrastructure, and the government cloud. Looking ahead, I hope that you will also consider how to organically integrate these with each other, utilize them well, and develop cross-sectionally.

However, the key to the promotion of digital regulations this time is to firstly implement the current digitalization of analog regulations step by step in society. As reported today, I believe that down-to-earth, steady activities are extremely important, so I expect that they will be given top priority and promoted with a view to the future in the medium to long term.

That's all from me. Here's your change.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui , members, thank you very much. As expected, it is progressing so much that I think there will be more discussions.

Although some members of Ochiai have raised their hands, since the report was very substantial, we have already received a lot of comments and questions from the members, so I would like the secretariat to answer them first, and then I would like to proceed to Professor Ochiai again.

Then, the secretariat, thank you very much.

Director, Kawano: Thank you.

Everyone, thank you for your positive comments. I will respond accordingly. Regarding Mr. Masujima's issue of the generation AI of the local government and the relationship with TM, I would like you to talk about it from each person in charge.

With regard to Professor Wakio's comment, we are of the same view that if there is technological progress, the time will come to re-check it. In the first place, when the analog regulation clause was created, the person in charge at that time did not intend to create the analog regulation, but because there was no such technology, people had no choice but to look at it, so the current clause exists. If there is a new technology that we do not know now, and if the protection of legal benefits can be secured without relying on the current system or regulations, then I think that a similar cycle will be repeated. I do not know at what timing it will be, but I think that it is fully conceivable to establish a different item from the current seven items and make a similar effort.

In addition, in utilizing generative AI, I think it is a very grateful viewpoint that the performance will improve if we work on the results of horizontal development projects. I think you are right, so in any case, in utilizing generative AI more and more, I think we should make the most of the knowledge we have already obtained in this fiscal year's projects.

Also, as you said, it will be a great opportunity for the industry to create solutions, and economic organizations, industry organizations, and in that sense, the RegTech community are aiming for that as well, but I think it is absolutely important to continue doing this.

As for the definition of data and how to obtain data in the operation of regulations, as you said, there is no immediate answer, but I recognize that we need to think about it.

This is my third comment from Professor Masujima. Thank you very much for viewing this content. I hope you enjoyed it. We in Digital Agency are a fusion of the public and private sectors, and our public relations team is a very private group with many people who are skilled in various means of public relations using digital technology. Therefore, they are working on various approaches that we in the administrative and political world do not have, such as how to present and approach content that is different from traditional government offices.

They look closely at the data of the actual view and follow up on what content was viewed every week. I don't think I have the answer to what they are doing to specifically reach us, but I think they are doing various approaches that traditional government offices don't have.

Also, I have received many comments from Dr. Ogawa. You are right when you say that you would like the results to be visualized. We are in charge of legislation and systems, and as mentioned earlier, we are using a common platform and promoting My Number Card, and various other things are coming together to produce results. Dr. Ogawa's remarks are gradually going beyond our scope and are becoming like expectations for the entire Digital Agency. It depends on how much I can take it, but I think it is important for the entire Agency to visualize these things, including numbers, as much as possible. Up until now, government offices have been communicating data and policies from a relatively supply-side perspective, but Digital Agency itself has been appealing to communicate in an easy-to-understand manner from the perspective of the people, so I would like to make sure to show it in that way.

In addition, we expect pilot demonstrations and regulatory sandboxes to advance implementation in society. I think you are right. We are also conducting PR to ensure that we go into the field rather than just revising regulations, but for example, in terms of the budget for actual demonstrations, we will look at the subsidies for regional revitalization that Cabinet Secretariat and Cabinet Office are preparing, and for example, I introduced the activities of the RegTech community for bear technology at the end of this meeting. In fact, in Ministry of the Environment, as you know, bear control is a major challenge for the government, so we are working on a grant project to support the introduction of such technology. Based on what we have said about being able to develop such technology, I think what will actually be implemented at the end is to move forward with projects, demonstrations, budgets, and support in accordance with the policy objectives of each ministry. I think it is important for us to keep close communication with these parties and have each ministry move forward comfortably and support them.

As for the last two points, i.e., data standardization and collaboration on a common platform, as I mentioned earlier, I understand that you pointed out that we should move toward creating a large digital society by firmly moving the initiatives of the entire Digital Agency and the Council for Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform, and firmly repairing the systems we are in charge of, in combination with other tools and platforms, and also with data utilization. That is absolutely true, and we will work in close collaboration with the relevant departments.

Then, regarding the two questions from Mr. Masujima, the status of the introduction of generative AI in local governments, from the person in charge, and for the TM feedback, if possible, from the TM team, please answer them.

Secretariat (Sakano): .

This is the status of the utilization of Professor Ojima's generative AI in local governments. I am sorry to say this is based on data compiled by Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications, but according to data published in June 2025, although the results of local governments that have introduced generative AI vary depending on their size, more than 80% of local governments larger than prefectural governments and designated cities have already introduced it, and 30% of smaller local governments and other municipalities have also introduced it. In addition, the number is even higher if we include demonstration projects and planned installations. I am also closely communicating with multiple local governments about generative AI in relation to the project I just introduced. While large organizations are spending a considerable budget, small organizations are making various efforts through trial and error to effectively utilize free versions and guidelines. What is common is that I understand that there is a momentum in all organizations that we must use it to improve administrative efficiency. Finally, I would like to end with a qualitative discussion, but I am aware that there is currently a significant movement toward generative AI in local governments, including demonstration projects.

That's all.

Director, Kawano: TM Team, please.

SUGA Director: Earlier, Professor Masujima pointed out that we understand that the technology map will go through a cycle of registration and go into maintenance mode, but on the other hand, we often hear that it is still stuck in the system. At this moment, we are also working on it as if it is the last challenge. We want to bring it to the point where technology is actually used in the field and the labor shortage is resolved, but after all, we have been working on it for about a year to find out what is the bottleneck and we have not been able to achieve it, and what we have come to understand a little is, for example, that the solutions that companies think they have been able to provide are insufficient from the viewpoint of the field, and it seems that they cannot reach the itchy point. Also, it costs a certain amount of money for the field to introduce new technology. It costs a lot of money to try new things in the field and bring them to the learning level, but because they cannot spend that money, they still say that the regulations are. If you check carefully, I recognize that there are many cases where regulations have already been violated.

Another thing, which may be more noticeable in local areas, is that in cases where there is a practice of outsourcing or consigning infrastructure maintenance, etc. to local companies for a long time, the degree of technology adoption by the companies to which it is outsourced, rather than the actual local government, has a significant impact, and for example, there are still quite a few cases where they have never touched a drone. It is a very multi-layered and deep-rooted problem. We have no choice but to take it one by one and solve it steadily, and we also conduct sales to local governments under the command of Director, Kawano. Also, in the fields of construction and sewerage that I reported earlier, I am thinking of sending a summary content that goes deeper, saying that there are people who are able to do this kind of thing with the current status of regulations, but have these kinds of problems. I hope that we will be aware of feedback and take up these kinds of problems.

Director, Kawano: I think I have answered all the questions.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui .

It is a "swamp." I once again realized that truly steady efforts are being made every day. Thank you very much.

So, Mr. Ochiai, thank you for waiting. Thank you very much.

Ochiai Member: Thank you. I'm afraid I'll be the last one.

Thank you for your explanation. In addition, I believe that initiatives are making great progress. For example, from the perspective of regulatory reform, I believe that the regulatory reform Promotion Council is doing things that it cannot do. Compared to a situation in which a big prize cannot be awarded and follow-ups on relevant themes cannot be done that often, I believe that it is an extremely important initiative for Digital Agency to take on the roles of horizontal development.

In addition, I am also involved in the special zones. In relation to that, the regions are taking the lead in expanding nationwide, and some are advancing in that way in regulatory reform. However, overall, I thought that it would be quite difficult to support implementation. In that sense, it is being advanced as an extremely broad-based initiative, and I think it is making an extremely significant contribution to digitalization. I think it is the most wonderful project I am aware of in Digital Agency.

I would like to speak about five points regarding the future.

One is a point of contention that is actually sometimes heard at the regulatory reform Promotion Council and the Special Zones. So, I would like to confirm one thing. Phase 1, 2, and 3 were originally organized and advanced at the time of the Osawa Director, but I think there was a discussion at the time that it would be difficult to move to Phase 3 right away. I think it is good to say that we have achieved enough in Phase 2, but I would like to ask what the situation is in Phase 3 in relation to the current themes in order to further use digital technology depending on the degree of use of digitalization. In fact, themes that overlap with our considerations are sometimes likely to come up at the regulatory reform Promotion Council, so I wanted to ask partly because of that.

Second, I think it is very important to incorporate new social issues, as Wakao members have said. Therefore, I think it is very wonderful that there are more opportunities for people to take a positive view, and in particular, I think the story of the bear is a timely story. What I mentioned earlier as Step 3 is from the perspective of the technology side. On the other hand, I thought it would be good to incorporate into new initiatives the fact that problems can be solved when the problem side responds to these problems as a problem consultation. In that sense, the second point is how there is room for future consideration of increasing existing themes to solve new social issues.

Regarding the third and fourth points, I believe that they were not necessarily discussed within this study group, but rather in collaboration with other organizations. In the initial explanation, I understood that although the position is still higher at the Population Strategy Headquarters, it is still related to the Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform Council. In that sense, the purpose of the discussions being held this time is to actually implement it, and although implementation may be interpreted in relation to technology regulations, I think that there were discussions that the relationship with procurement was originally discussed and that it would be good if procurement could be made easier.

Regarding procurement, I think that joint procurement should be considered in the future, for example, or in some cases, digital administrative and fiscal affairs. I feel that this is more like a parent meeting than a study group, but when such a thing is considered, I hope that procurement methods and technology maps will be linked well. I think that procurement reform itself should wait for moves outside the study group or the development of a good system, but when it is completed, I think it would be good if we can have cooperation. This is the third point.

As for the fourth point, in relation to digital administrative and fiscal reforms, I participated in the study group with Professor Inadani and others. Among them, I believe we are discussing the development of the utilization of administrative data. As the Wakao members mentioned earlier, it is important to use data to improve performance and enhance responses. Depending on the situation, administrative data, which will be the basis for that, may be used in the form of digital public goods, but I believe it could be linked to such things. I believe that we will develop such things in the future, so I would like to have cooperation, or rather, I would like to combine it with something that will be completed by the study group.

The fifth and final point is to provide feedback to the private sector. I believe that the sale of technology products through procurement and other means will lead to the promotion of industry, but I understand that there are some points that the government must pay attention to, such as know-how on regulatory response and how to create governance. On the other hand, I believe that there are also a large number of common points among the private sector. You mentioned earlier that local business operators do not know much about this know-how, but I would like you to convey this know-how to the private sector as well. Of course, I believe that the main duty of the Digi Agency is basically the administrative agency or local governments, but I think it was originally the idea of semi-public sector and others to go beyond that and eventually go to the private sector as well. I think it would be good if you could think about conveying and expanding the know-how well to private sector. In particular, rather than business operators in Tokyo, I thought it would be good if various ways of doing things were properly conveyed to various local business operators, I think it would be fine to do it through local governments.

That's all.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui Thank you, members. I think you made various comments, aiming for the further development of a virtuous cycle of regulatory review and technological progress.

Then, I would like to start with the secretariat.

Director, Kawano: Thank you very much. I received 5 points.

First of all, among Phase 1, 2, and 3, I think the person in charge will provide some additional information on the extent to which Phase 3 is skin sensation.

However, when I look at this work and Digital Agency in particular, what I think we need to be careful about is, as Professor Ochiai may have mentioned a little, digital people tend to think that the introduction of new digital technologies is the goal, but I would rather say that the challenge is to make the people in the place happy, and I would rather avoid reviewing the digital regulations, saying, "We have reviewed the regulations, so what will be reviewed in the next regulation?" or "We will review the regulations anyway because we can develop such technologies." I think it is important for everyone to expand what we can do in Phase 2 to fix the time-consuming things that have been done manually until now. I do not deny Professor Ochiai's comment, but in that sense, I would like to give a comment on Phase 3 from the person in charge.

As for your third and fourth points, in particular, coordination with the various initiatives being undertaken by the Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform Council, I think you are absolutely right. The secretariat of the Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform Council is actually located in the same building as ours, and once a week, including executives, we hold a meeting to share our initiatives and introduce the initiatives they are doing. For example, we have heard about initiatives such as visualization of administrative data and creation of dashboards, which you mentioned at the meeting. Also, regarding joint procurement, we have created a digital marketplace, and in cooperation with local governments in each prefecture, we are actually investigating what systems are being jointly procured and visualizing them, which you have mentioned at the Digital Administrative and Fiscal Reform Council. You have pointed out that we should share awareness and coordination with them, combine them with technology maps, and disseminate information in an organic and multilayered manner, so we will continue to strengthen our efforts.

And in that sense, I think you pointed out that the second point, which is to incorporate new social issues, is that it would be better to incorporate consultation on concerns. You are right, and as I have just said, I am a person who wants to help people who are relatively in trouble, so I do not think that just because I have technology, I can use it, but I am in a situation where I am making a big fuss about how to unravel it, because in a sense, now we have learned that such simple things can be done with such technology, and I want to think a little about what can be done with a system that does not only transmit what we have learned but also listens to issues.

Lastly, as you pointed out, information should be provided to the central and local governments so that it can be used by the private sector as well. By doing so, solutions will be refined and costs will be reduced due to economies of scale. This is an important point, and I believe it is important, although I do not think it is possible to do it for the entire private sector.

Regarding the exchange of information with economic organizations from Professor Wakao at the beginning, I think Professor Wakao was talking about communication with economic organizations as a solution provider. What Professor Ochiai was saying was that it would be better to firmly transmit information to private companies on the demand and use sides, so I thought he was right. Certainly, it is difficult for Digital Agency to approach local companies directly, so it may be through local governments, but I thought I would like to consider what could be done.

Thank you.

The person in charge will provide additional information regarding Phase 3.

Secretariat (Saito): This is not qualitative data, but I would like to respond to your thoughts. My name is Deputy Director of the Strategic Organization Group. Thank you for your cooperation.

I am in charge of communication with each ministry and agency, including the review of the progress schedule, which has reached 98% of the review of the analog regulations of the national government. The idea of the phase that you pointed out is that we formulated the Comprehensive Review Plan in 2022, and based on the idea that we will shorten the subsequent intensive reform period from the original three years to two years and work on it considerably speedily, we are now following up on what has been decided.

In the initial Comprehensive Review Plan, there were Phases 1, 2, and 3. We were aiming for at least Phase 2, and of course there are some that are in Phase 3. However, in terms of the number, there are certainly quite a few in Phase 2. However, looking at the discussions at that time, etc., Phase 3 is quite challenging. For example, in Phase 2, it is a regulation that allows the use of digital technology in something that requires human intervention. For example, in Phase 3, there are cases where even the decision part is made by an AI, or where the regulation is completely automated and does not require human intervention.

Even in the discussions at that time, it was difficult to determine whether it could be completely replaced, that is, whether the ministries and agencies with regulatory jurisdiction would be responsible for it and it could be done without any people at all. There were discussions that we should aim for the future with a focus on whether existing technologies can guarantee safety, etc., including the technical verification I mentioned earlier, and that we should first clean up things that are impeding digital technologies during the two year intensive reform period.

Even if we communicate with the various ministries and agencies now, I believe that we can also consider independently utilizing technologies that emerge after the completion of the review of the roadmap. Therefore, as you just pointed out, if new technologies are developed in, for example, five or ten years from now, regulations that achieve what is now called Phase 3 may emerge.

I am sorry, but I did not give an answer about the number of cases, but I stated that I would like to introduce the concept of the phase in which all ministries and agencies would review the issue in a very speedy manner.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui .

As time is running out, if there are no particular comments, I would like to conclude the meeting. Is that all right?

Today, through active discussions, I believe I received meaningful opinions from the members that will be very useful for our future efforts. As time is running out, I would like to say a few words. Through today's plenary discussions, from the perspective of responding to a society with a declining population by realizing a virtuous cycle of regulatory review and technological progress, I was strongly impressed by the steady progress of our steady and down-to-earth initiatives, including digital legal system review, which at first glance appears to be unspectacular but very important, the discussion of "swamps" on the ground and the connection with social issues at hand, and the promotion of the utilization of generative AI at local governments for digitalization with the support of Digital Agency. I hope that Nagoya University will further actively communicate these results in cooperation with regulatory authorities, and advance this virtuous cycle.

Many of the members' comments seemed to be aimed at the further development of a virtuous cycle of regulatory review and technological progress, such as data collection and collaboration, feedback on the digitalization of regulations, and further connection with social issues, so I hope the Secretariat will refer to today's discussion and continue to advance this initiative.

Although time is running out due to my mistake, Director-General Hasui would like to say a few words at the end. Thank you very much.

Director-General Hasui: My name is Hasui, and I have taken over the position of Director-General of the Strategic Planning Group from Tomiyasu in July this year. I would like to thank all the members for their very active discussions today.

Earlier today, Director, Kawano, reported on the progress of the initiatives since the Study Group meeting held in April. Mr. Kawano took care of all the briefing, so I will omit the rest. However, as Mr. Inadani pointed out, we are now seeing steady results. Local governments are also responding more positively than expected, although I think we were originally planning to ask them to review the analog regulations in the future.

I also heard that review of analog regulations is an initiative that has few examples in other countries, and when former Prime Minister Vice-Minister for Digital Transformation, Chief Officer of Digital Agency exchanged views at an international meeting, he said something like that was being done, and I am very grateful that we have achieved a considerable number of concrete results.

In particular, as you pointed out, local governments are making considerable use of the generative AI. As mentioned earlier by other professors, we are already working on the digital administrative and fiscal reforms and the Government AI in Digital Agency under the guidance of former Minister Taira. We are building an in-house generative AI utilization environment called "Gennai," and we are working to deploy it to all ministries and agencies with this supplementary budget.

Furthermore, we are advancing cooperation with local governments that wish to do so, such as the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, which has distributed some accounts so that people can touch certain aspects of Gennai. I believe that we are now in an even more important phase in terms of what to do about regulations in response to new technologies, and how to advance initiatives that will lead to a virtuous cycle of regulations and innovation, as Professor Inadani mentioned earlier.

By all means, based on the points we received from today's experts, by publicizing to both users and those who are selling to use it, and by this way of publicizing, we can create a climate in which it is easier to do so, as we have seen in specific examples, as Mr. Kawano mentioned. I think it is very important to create a sense of direction that will lead to the vitality of the private sector by distributing and providing such information with good stories. We will work based on today's points from you, and we ask for your continued support and guidance.

Thank you very much for today.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui , Thank you very much.

I hear that the critical mass is 30%, so I think it is really amazing that so many local governments are very motivated by your efforts, so I would like to ask for your continued support.

I look forward to hearing from the Secretariat.

Secretariat (Sakano): Thank you.

Finally, I would like to make a few administrative contacts from the secretariat.

Regarding today's agenda, we will keep the same procedures as before. Later, we will prepare the minutes of the meeting. We would like you to review them with the committee members before releasing them to the public.

In addition, today's briefing materials for the secretariat will be posted on our website in the near future.

Although I mentioned this in the explanation, please note that some of the materials will be handled only by the members and will not be disclosed to the general public from the viewpoint of copyright, etc.

That's all for the administrative communication. Thank you very much for today.

Chairman Inadani: Director-General Hasui .

With that, I would like to conclude Session 9 in the Digital System Reform Review committee.

Thank you very much for your time today.

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